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This is my log of the second chat session with the assembly of MUGs and Anne en Romain from Mandriva S.A.januari 29, 2010 RvP

(18:10:18) Arvi Pingus: test test test
(18:10:22) Arvi Pingus: ok
(18:10:32) Arvi Pingus: ready for chat No. 2
(18:51:25) Arvi Pingus: ;-)
(19:25:22) xrg_ [n=panos@athedsl-4510324.home.otenet.gr] is de ruimte binnengekomen.
(19:25:57) Arvi Pingus: xrg_ your are not a mug?
(19:26:18) Arvi Pingus: or are you the Greek from Cannes :-D?
(19:26:28) dimitris [n=dimitris@ANice-257-1-7-87.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr] is de ruimte binnengekomen.
(19:26:37) xrg_: I am the Greek from Athens, Dglent is not on, yet.
(19:26:59) xrg_: here he is 
(19:27:03) Arvi Pingus: Dimitris that is says with its avatar 'from Cannes'
(19:27:31) Arvi Pingus: dimitris welcome
(19:27:44) Arvi Pingus: xrg_ also welcome, but
(19:27:50) dimitris: hi i am here too, we are two from greece
(19:27:57) Arvi Pingus: not being a mug, please leave the room
(19:28:09) Arvi Pingus: two mugs?
(19:28:16) dimitris: if it is a probleme i will leave 
(19:28:20) xrg_ is weggegaan.
(19:28:26) Arvi Pingus: can't be 8-)
(19:28:34) Arvi Pingus: xrg= left the building
(19:28:47) Arvi Pingus: How is the weather in Greece?
(19:29:08) Arvi Pingus: sunny and 21 degrees?
(19:29:22) Arvi Pingus: You lucky bastards !
(19:29:43) Arvi Pingus: here in Holland its cold, some snow and lots of rain
(19:30:36) Arvi Pingus: dimitris, you are the one (and only) greek Mandriva User Group communitee representative
(19:31:43) xrg_ [n=panos@athedsl-4510324.home.otenet.gr] is de ruimte binnengekomen.
(19:32:19) dimitris: i told to xrg to participate as is co-admin of the greek community, and i prefered that will be xrg here as i dont think that i can follow all the chat
(19:32:39) Arvi Pingus: Its fine to me!
(19:32:52) dimitris: ok , im leaving :) thanks
(19:32:57) dimitris is weggegaan (quit: Remote closed the connection).
(19:33:09) Arvi Pingus: Last (first) session we had an intruder who was looking for some mandriva answers. ha ha
(19:33:57) xrg_: I wouldn't have answered him ;)
(19:34:25) Arvi Pingus: xrg_ a heavy task is on your shoulders
(19:34:42) Arvi Pingus: All of the great Greek nation is looking upon you
(19:34:57) Arvi Pingus: Are you one of the 300? ha ha
(19:35:05) Arvi Pingus: or maybe number 301 ha ha ha
(19:35:19) xrg_: I'm not happy with participation here. Many people consider *buntu to be a linux distro..
(19:35:24) Arvi Pingus: I have a sixpack too
(19:35:30) Arvi Pingus: in my fridge ha ha ha
(19:36:11) Arvi Pingus: not happy, I don't understand, please explain
(19:37:01) xrg_: In central Europe, Linux is more popular and known to the people. 
(19:37:20) xrg_: Here, there are a lot of misconceptions about it.
(19:37:48) Arvi Pingus: In western europe it is also known, but MS Windows is dominant in the consumer market
(19:38:25) Arvi Pingus: People know it is solid, but still think it is not easy to use
(19:38:32) xrg_: Anyway, I'm here mostly to listen.
(19:38:40) Arvi Pingus: And off course na essential software like ...
(19:38:48) Arvi Pingus: Games
(19:39:01) Arvi Pingus: I'm here mostly to talk
(19:39:19) Arvi Pingus: to get thes lazy @#$%^to move, ha ha ha
(19:39:24) xrg_: I believe more in business software. That is a better chance for Linux, since it can be driven by centralized decisions.
(19:40:12) Arvi Pingus: I believe in webbased sollutions and SAAS sollutions. No bother for the OS you use
(19:40:34) xrg_: that's a looong talk.. 
(19:40:48) Arvi Pingus: >>>>>> I have to leave for 15 minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(19:40:56) xrg_: np

And here the official part of the chat (have fun!)

(19:41:05) Arvi Pingus: stay tuned for the 20.00 hour show :)
(19:49:37) xrg [n=panos@athedsl-4525698.home.otenet.gr] is de ruimte binnengekomen.
(20:02:26) rda [n=romain@mar75-6-82-238-38-33.fbx.proxad.net] is de ruimte binnengekomen.
(20:05:57) xrg_ is weggegaan (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
(20:06:26) Arvi Pingus: hello Romain
(20:06:58) Arvi Pingus: xrg_ is the repacement for Greek dimitri
(20:07:06) xrg: hello
(20:07:26) rda: RvP: hej
(20:07:41) rda: xrg or xrg_: hi 
(20:08:31) rda: xrg: replacement, for this chat, or for the mug group representative as well?
(20:09:10) xrg: I do represent our community, too. I'm also in the Hellenic Linux user's group.
(20:10:19) Arvi Pingus: But dimitri is still the 'main'mug?
(20:10:35) ennael [n=anne@konilope.linuxeries.org] is de ruimte binnengekomen.
(20:10:42) rda: ok, great. nice to meet you. what's your nick/name ? :)
(20:10:42) ennael: phew hi there
(20:10:42) Arvi Pingus: hello Anne
(20:11:19) Arvi Pingus: its getting bussier and bussier
(20:11:20) ennael: hi RvP 
(20:11:26) ennael: not many people there
(20:11:32) Arvi Pingus: nope
(20:11:39) Arvi Pingus: its a shame
(20:11:46) Arvi Pingus: Maybe the traffic
(20:11:50) Arvi Pingus: like you?
(20:11:54) ennael: not a surprise for me :/
(20:11:58) Arvi Pingus: or the kids :)
(20:11:59) rda: I guess we should make the channel name public
(20:12:07) ennael: yes
(20:12:21) Arvi Pingus: public, in the mug forum that is?
(20:12:26) ennael: yep
(20:12:26) rda: already replied to marcello on the mugs list about this
(20:12:31) rda: yes
(20:12:38) rda: we'll kick non mugs people if needed :)
(20:12:49) ennael: I can do it :)
(20:12:56) ennael: I need exercise after very busy day
(20:13:09) Arvi Pingus: rda you can? oh I see Anne can give nice kicks
(20:13:41) Arvi Pingus: work is like a hobby
(20:13:53) Arvi Pingus: takes you a lot of time :)
(20:14:30) xrg: What's the agenda, tonight?
(20:14:32) ennael: more than you think :)
(20:14:57) rda: I'll gather from the forum thread about this chat. Or RvP do you want to?
(20:15:02) ***xrg waits for FOSDEM, too.
(20:15:13) ennael: xrg: are you going ?
(20:15:22) xrg: yes.
(20:15:33) ennael: great we may meet there then
(20:15:57) ennael: we are 6 from mdv company going there
(20:16:02) ennael: and some guys from Cooker
(20:16:28) Arvi Pingus: FOSDEM in The Hague?
(20:16:30) xrg: great.
(20:16:36) ennael: Bruxelles
(20:16:48) marcy [n=quassel@host206-81-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] is de ruimte binnengekomen.
(20:16:54) marcy: hi!!
(20:16:58) Arvi Pingus: Hi marcy
(20:16:58) rda: marcy: hi there
(20:17:31) rda: sorry for the channel address publicity. looks like it's a common issue (not to mention it in advance with each reminder) :-p
(20:17:48) marcy: i'm marcello anni, aka killer1987 of italian mug, what about you?
(20:18:10) Arvi Pingus: what about?
(20:18:13) Arvi Pingus: :)
(20:18:27) Arvi Pingus: I am a killer too
(20:18:28) ***rda is romain
(20:18:34) Arvi Pingus: Licensed
(20:18:48) ***ennael likes kill users too ;)
(20:18:57) ennael: I'm Anne
(20:19:01) marcy: don't joke with me, you're risking your life : )
(20:19:06) Arvi Pingus: I only kill PID's
(20:19:26) marcy: who are you, RvP?
(20:19:47) Arvi Pingus: I shoot with humor (or is it hu mort?)
(20:20:13) Arvi Pingus: Me? is RvP pronouncing as Arvi P(ingus)

(20:20:53) Arvi Pingus: Can we conclude the chit chat? :)
(20:21:03) ennael: ok bye and have a nice we
(20:21:05) ennael: :)
(20:21:06) ennael: oups
(20:21:10) marcy: arvi, you should use a simpler nick, something like  "Arvi"  :)
(20:21:11) ***rda slaps ennael
(20:21:36) Arvi Pingus: Why mar?
(20:21:58) Arvi Pingus: My friends call me R
(20:22:04) Arvi Pingus: My wife calls me
(20:22:14) Arvi Pingus: ... money :)
(20:22:32) marcy: simpler to associate the chat nick with the mugs forum
(20:23:01) marcy: you're wife is the smartest : )
(20:23:01) ennael: ok can we start and fix time limit ?
(20:23:13) ennael: I would like to avoid sleep on my keyboard
(20:23:16) Arvi Pingus: Ok item 1
(20:23:33) rda: ok, let's go ahead. I suppose everyone is here? so: RvP for nl/be, marcy for it, xrg for gr, me and ennael for mdv
(20:23:45) marcy: sure anne
(20:23:54) ennael: yep
(20:23:58) ennael: one thing
(20:23:58) Arvi Pingus: yep2
(20:23:59) rda: is 10pm ok for everyone?
(20:24:03) ennael: yep
(20:24:09) Arvi Pingus: much to late
(20:24:13) Arvi Pingus: ha ha
(20:24:15) rda: 9pm then :)
(20:24:17) ennael: little kid
(20:24:20) Arvi Pingus: okidoki
(20:24:28) marcy: 9.30
(20:24:30) marcy: ?
(20:24:38) Arvi Pingus: 9.14
(20:24:56) marcy: 16 and for me it's ok
(20:24:58) Arvi Pingus: Let's start and see how far we get before it is one's bed time
(20:25:03) ennael: rda: maybe we can leave them
(20:25:03) rda: ok
(20:25:16) rda: ennael: thinking about it :-p
(20:25:21) Arvi Pingus: item 1
(20:25:25) marcy: let's start:
(20:25:27) rda: let's go, item 1. mugs & forums links in website, right?
(20:25:32) Arvi Pingus: yep

item 0 for the agenda:
(20:25:33) ennael: mmm
(20:25:43) ennael: I'd like to add an important point
(20:25:51) Arvi Pingus: being?
(20:25:56) ennael: for better work between mugs
(20:26:05) ennael: we spoke about this this afternoon internally
(20:26:21) ennael: that woule be great to have some kind of "leader" for mugs
(20:26:28) ennael: to help animating all mugs
(20:26:34) Arvi Pingus: ha ha
(20:26:41) ennael: and make it alive and kick us when we are too slow
(20:26:55) Arvi Pingus: like the kicking part
(20:26:57) rda: but only one allowed person to do so :)
(20:27:04) marcy: for kicking you i'm always available : )
(20:27:09) ennael: I know :)
(20:27:15) ennael: so what do you think about this ?
(20:27:20) Arvi Pingus: Arnold Schwarzenegger alike
(20:27:40) ennael: some kind :)
(20:27:50) Arvi Pingus: is he/she going to kick me or you or both
(20:27:58) Arvi Pingus: mugs and S.A. that is?
(20:28:22) ennael: well it could help you on community side
(20:28:34) Arvi Pingus: explain
(20:28:37) ennael: and help to centralize things
(20:28:44) Arvi Pingus: explain
(20:28:49) ennael: well when we thought about MUGs
(20:29:06) ennael: it was a way for us to formalize discussions between mdv and community but also
(20:29:12) ennael: between parts of community
(20:29:21) marcy: i don't agree with a mug leader
(20:29:35) marcy: i think mug forum is the only place where to discuss
(20:29:37) ennael: maybe leader is not the good word
(20:29:43) Arvi Pingus: Is always better to have a united community
(20:29:52) ennael: I would say coordinate
(20:29:54) Arvi Pingus: maybe 'dictator' ha ha
(20:30:10) Arvi Pingus: 'sweeper' ha ha ha
(20:30:11) rda: coordinator/facilitator/mediator if you prefer.
(20:30:24) Arvi Pingus: a shrink?
(20:30:34) marcy: but we are really a few
(20:30:46) marcy: how can we decide for the "facilitator"?
(20:30:51) rda: nah
(20:30:55) Arvi Pingus: We don't have to decide this evening
(20:31:00) ennael: well it should be a volunteer
(20:31:04) Arvi Pingus: just discuss the idea
(20:31:07) ennael: yep
(20:31:26) Arvi Pingus: like in 'Asterix and Obelix'?
(20:31:27) ennael: if it's too silli idea just forget
(20:31:30) marcy: for kicking the ass of romain and anne i think i can be the right person
(20:31:39) ennael: but we see some advantages
(20:31:40) Arvi Pingus: Everyone but one steps back??? ha ha
(20:31:43) ennael: marcy: not only
(20:31:54) marcy: it is nothing more than what i've always done
(20:31:59) ennael: community ass has to be kicked also sometimes :)
(20:32:05) Arvi Pingus: oeps
(20:32:15) marcy: community ass is precious : )
(20:32:27) ennael: as mdv one also ;)
(20:32:29) ennael: anyway
(20:32:38) ennael: this is just about organizing
(20:32:49) ennael: not dictatorship
(20:32:50) rda: could be, like...
(20:33:00) marcy: i proposed myself as volunteer, the important thing is to go straight
(20:33:10) rda: mugs agree on a roadmap on their own, mandriva as well, and we agree on a common roadmap.
(20:33:13) marcy: we must speak about mandriva, not mug
(20:33:37) rda: and everyone works toward making this roadmap a reality, on its own, or through collaboration. with our respective means.
(20:34:07) Arvi Pingus: I am not away, but busy with second activity which needs attention
(20:34:23) ennael: this guy should be constructive
(20:34:39) ennael: as explained rda we really want to make a success
(20:34:48) marcy: anne, why don't you choose by yourself?
(20:34:50) ennael: let say start was hard and not productive
(20:34:57) ennael: marcy: I'm not choosing
(20:35:09) ennael: I'm just giving some information
(20:35:12) marcy: and when you think to decide?
(20:35:19) ennael: ?
(20:35:27) rda: marcy: we would like all mugs and their representative to be able to gather, discuss and coordinate in this regard.
(20:35:31) rda: on their own.
(20:35:47) marcy: ok,
(20:35:50) ennael: yep
(20:36:01) rda: so that not all tasks rely on a strict, blocking interaction between mandriva and mugs people (although some parts may need to)
(20:36:38) marcy: so, i'm ok for electing a mugs "leader", ok for all of you (mugs)?
(20:37:04) ennael: maybe the best thing is to propose it on forum ?
(20:37:09) rda: marcy: I believe you should discuss this further with other mug reps (not here tonight but still active around the forum or...)
(20:37:16) Arvi Pingus: for a certain period?
(20:37:27) marcy: anne: exactely what i wanted to do
(20:37:40) Arvi Pingus: with what tasks?
(20:37:43) rda: yes. as assembly is going toward its first birthday, new elections may happen soon.
(20:37:54) ennael: marcy: one thing we agree on woot :)
(20:38:23) Arvi Pingus: woot? I have to look it up for its meaning
(20:38:30) marcy: me too
(20:38:32) marcy: ,
(20:38:44) marcy: i was lookinf for wordreference.com : )
(20:38:55) rda: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/woot
(20:39:25) rda: or http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/w00t
(20:39:29) ennael: :)

(20:39:33) rda: ok, back to item 1 ?
(20:39:36) ennael: ok
(20:39:56) marcy: ok
(20:40:23) rda: so, you'll notice we update the forum theme, with a top nav for alternative language forums & a link to the MUGs page
(20:40:24) marcy: so, mugs will organize about our leader, ok?
(20:40:42) Arvi Pingus: its always funny how people associate Holland with 'weet' ha ha
(20:40:48) rda: marcy: secretary may be a better name than leader, actually.
(20:41:07) Arvi Pingus: weet = knowing
(20:41:29) marcy: rda: the name is not important right now
(20:41:38) ennael: guys guys can we focus on point 1 ? :)
(20:41:45) rda: marcy: how you name things build them.
(20:41:46) marcy: that is..?
(20:41:58) rda: marcy: forum, links to forums, and mugs.
(20:42:03) marcy: rda: so i propose mug representative : )
(20:42:30) marcy: rda: and what is the problem about forum etc..?
(20:42:51) ennael: ...
(20:43:00) rda: marcy: see http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?p=772717#772717 for the list of topics for this chat session please
(20:43:02) ennael: these are the topics listed on forum
(20:43:27) marcy: ok
(20:43:42) rda: so, the requirements to be in the MUGs page is, well, to be a MUG. And to have one forum listed in the list of forums is, well, to be a valid forum for mandriva users.
(20:44:06) marcy: it seems me quite obvious
(20:44:09) rda: however, you'll notice that we're in a situation where we have more than one forum in a specific language (but more like, one forum per country, almost)
(20:44:24) rda: marcy: it didn't before, because of previous theme which was inaccurrate.
(20:44:58) Arvi Pingus: I noticed the new look
(20:45:08) rda: ho. a side note. only the default theme is maintained in this regard. does not prevent others to be updated, but no garantee
(20:45:18) Arvi Pingus: All those nice flags are gone
(20:45:29) marcy: i changed the theme sometime before
(20:45:37) Arvi Pingus: So is our point 1 of this evenings agenda?
(20:45:45) Arvi Pingus: Don't think so
(20:46:00) marcy: what is the new theme name?
(20:46:01) rda: RvP: flags are good for countries, not for languages
(20:46:08) rda: marcy: "Mandriva 2010"
(20:46:43) marcy: rda:
(20:46:45) Arvi Pingus: Can there be an item on the forum site  with flags or languages and/or links to community sites
(20:46:48) marcy: great, good job
(20:47:25) Arvi Pingus: or a globe/world map with spots wich represent links of al these beautiful communitee sites
(20:47:36) rda: RvP: that's the reason I pointed to MUGs page at first: delegating this to the MUGs page. At second, I will redirect this to a generic, different page on the website, presenting different communities around the world.
(20:47:56) rda: RvP: but doing this in the forum itself is going to mix things too much.
(20:48:03) Arvi Pingus: explain a bit further
(20:48:04) rda: RvP: the map is a good idea
(20:48:10) Arvi Pingus: :)
(20:48:29) Arvi Pingus: rda you may call me Ar
(20:48:30) rda: RvP: the forum is about discussions; presenting/linking to other communities is another topic, so it deserves a separate page
(20:48:32) Arvi Pingus: ha ha
(20:48:52) Arvi Pingus: you are right my master
(20:49:10) ennael: woot (bis)
(20:49:23) rda: "two points"
(20:49:39) rda: ok. can we say item 1 is closed or has anyone something to add?
(20:49:45) Arvi Pingus: But it is very important for the comunitees to be 'named'and linked on the Official site
(20:49:59) rda: totally agree.
(20:50:08) Arvi Pingus: Yes, the question is still; how to get on the map
(20:50:09) rda: just want to do this in the more relevant way.
(20:50:14) rda: RvP: be a MUG
(20:50:18) marcy: but what is the problem?????
(20:50:30) marcy: there are far important issues to discuss
(20:50:31) marcy: than
(20:50:38) rda: nothing more. and notify the webteam or mandriva mugs team to update the list if needed
(20:50:38) Arvi Pingus: Are there criteria to be met?
(20:50:40) marcy: to associate country to flags
(20:50:46) ennael: marcy: please...
(20:50:55) ennael: marcy: there was a list of topic
(20:50:58) Legion [n=chatzill@201.160.30.156.static.cableonline.com.mx] is de ruimte binnengekomen.
(20:51:00) rda: RvP: and the wiki page is editable
(20:51:04) Arvi Pingus: More important maybe, but also important see the forum
(20:51:06) Legion: Hi all
(20:51:09) Arvi Pingus: hi legion
(20:51:12) rda: hi Legion 
(20:51:14) marcy: hi legion
(20:51:16) marcy: :)
(20:51:20) Arvi Pingus: hi hi
(20:51:21) Legion: I comming too lata?
(20:51:26) Arvi Pingus: yep
(20:51:28) Legion: *late*
(20:51:35) rda: RvP: I suggest we skip to item 2 and we can discuss further this if needed, but I believe things are more square now ?
(20:51:43) marcy: anne: yes, but speaking about this 20 minutes i think it is more than sufficent
(20:51:52) Legion: What's happening until now?
(20:51:54) ennael: marcy: you are not the only one here
(20:51:58) ennael: be patient please
(20:52:02) marcy: ok : (
(20:52:38) rda: ok, item 2?
(20:52:48) Arvi Pingus: The criteria item is still open?
(20:53:00) rda: RvP: critera is: be a MUG.
(20:53:21) rda: let's build on that then.
(20:53:37) Arvi Pingus: can we conclude that Mandriva SA will write a memo with criteria   ... ah I see; being a MUG will do.
(20:53:41) Arvi Pingus: Fine to me
(20:53:45) tanju [n=quassel@85.100.191.40] is de ruimte binnengekomen.

(20:53:47) Arvi Pingus: Point 2
(20:53:48) rda: ok
(20:53:55) Arvi Pingus: hello tanju
(20:54:13) rda: so. Promotional materials.
(20:54:18) tanju: Hello Arvi
(20:54:23) rda: tanju: hola
(20:54:29) Arvi Pingus: I love promotional materials
(20:54:38) rda: ok. could you remind the issue then.
(20:54:55) Arvi Pingus: Especially when they arive in time and at the right spot ... 
(20:55:26) ennael: ok on that specific point
(20:55:41) ennael: we change of partner for doing it in december
(20:55:45) ennael: to get it cheaper
(20:55:51) Arvi Pingus: december 2010?
(20:55:55) ennael: but this has been a big mess
(20:55:58) rda: s/change/changed/
(20:56:03) ennael: well november exactly
(20:56:06) ennael: oups yes
(20:56:11) ennael: nov 2009
(20:56:15) marcy: so if we need some materials you can send us without problems?
(20:56:33) ennael: let me finish please
(20:56:59) ennael: then end of this year we crossed some quite difficult financial situation
(20:57:08) ennael: due to clients who did not pay us
(20:57:13) Arvi Pingus: CD's and DVD's empty with the Mandriva signs on it, we can produce (burn) them ourselves
(20:57:23) ennael: and also crisis as some other companies
(20:57:28) Arvi Pingus: in different flavours and always actual
(20:57:42) ennael: that could be a good idea indeed
(20:57:50) Arvi Pingus: :)
(20:57:56) ennael: we are back now looking to produce this material
(20:58:17) Arvi Pingus: don't burn (your fingers)
(20:58:24) ennael: ah ah :)
(20:58:39) ennael: so if a generic CD is ok for now that could help a lot indeed
(20:58:54) Arvi Pingus: ok ok ok ( a lot)
(20:59:07) ennael: I will propose it to Vanessa our communication manager
(20:59:10) Arvi Pingus: a lot, meaning helps a lot
(20:59:15) ennael: :)
(20:59:24) Arvi Pingus: vanessa paradise? whow
(20:59:29) ennael: erf
(20:59:35) rda: :D not this one
(20:59:51) Arvi Pingus: more like ... 'hell'?
(21:00:01) Arvi Pingus: to kick your asses
(21:00:03) rda: then you may design the CD/DVD cover 
(21:00:18) Legion: ennael: well some can create own promotional material if Mandriva help with this https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=46542
(21:00:49) rda: Legion: yep. but Community help in proposing a design is welcome as well.
(21:01:05) ennael: yep opening some kind of contest for next Spring for example
(21:01:16) ennael: would it be ok ?
(21:01:20) rda: then we can host the final design to distribute it
(21:01:46) patkoscsaba2 [n=patkoscs@79.114.111.112] is de ruimte binnengekomen.
(21:01:52) Legion: ennael: if is not possible before, is well for me :)
(21:01:56) rda: patkoscsaba2: hi
(21:01:56) patkoscsaba2: heloo everybody
(21:02:06) marcy: hi patko
(21:02:15) rda: actually, design contest could start anytime.
(21:02:15) Arvi Pingus: hi patkoscaba2
(21:02:16) tanju: hi patkos
(21:02:23) rda: that could be something MUGs organize on their own, for instance.
(21:02:59) tanju: cd cover design should be translatable
(21:03:18) ennael: it can be generic enough to avoid this
(21:03:20) Arvi Pingus: We are not able to print ourselves CD's so preprinted 'neutral' Official Mandriva is preferable
(21:03:23) ennael: if you want us to produce it
(21:03:31) rda: I agree, generic enough to avoid l10n needs
(21:03:41) tanju: ok
(21:03:44) rda: RvP: that's an option 
(21:03:57) ennael: well not very "sexy"
(21:03:58) ennael: :)
(21:04:12) rda: who would like to gather requirements for the design and propose it to MUGs to dispatch and coordinate the contest?
(21:04:24) Arvi Pingus: generic means not much text (words like Free in different languages)
(21:04:46) ennael: yep
(21:04:58) Arvi Pingus: me not sexy? I'll ask my wife, my lover and my mistresses. May take a wile :)
(21:04:59) marcy: it would be interessant also a list of the new features implemented on the back
(21:05:17) ennael: marcy: nope
(21:05:26) ennael: it would require localization
(21:05:28) Arvi Pingus: No back, just a one-time generic (for a certain period)
(21:05:35) ennael: yep
(21:05:41) Arvi Pingus: :)
(21:05:52) ennael: but MUGs can share some other proposals
(21:06:04) ennael: some graphical files to put with
(21:06:11) marcy: if you can't localize the covers, why simply don't change cover provider?
(21:06:12) ennael: so that you can localize and personnalize
(21:06:23) ennael: marcy: you don't understand
(21:06:23) Arvi Pingus: like? without budget? or at least low, very low (but high harted)
(21:06:39) marcy: ennael: right
(21:06:39) ennael: we have about 15 different languages
(21:06:44) rda: marcy: that is, we provide a base template every MUG may customize a bit to adapt the version, locale, etc.
(21:06:52) xrg: People, bye. See you in Brussels.
(21:06:53) ennael: it means 15 different kind of CDs
(21:06:59) rda: xrg: bye
(21:07:04) ennael: which means very high price
(21:07:05) xrg is weggegaan (quit: Remote closed the connection).
(21:07:33) Arvi Pingus: no, just one generic CD. Everyone burns an actual Gnome/KDE/Xfce etc version
(21:07:48) Arvi Pingus: No localoisation on the outside/cover
(21:08:12) Arvi Pingus: Cheaper for S.A. to produce and to hold in stock
(21:08:12) tanju: if cover design's file provided then every country can localise and use it 
(21:08:18) rda: well, we'll leave that to you (MUGs) to specify requirements for the design.
(21:08:32) rda: tanju: that's an option.
(21:08:33) Legion: ennael: not really, you only need to provide the cover and let to people choice between designs :)
(21:08:38) tanju: yes
(21:08:40) Arvi Pingus: requirement: sexy :)
(21:08:51) ennael: :)
(21:08:52) patkoscsaba2: :)
(21:08:59) rda: time is short. could we move on to next topic, and you may discuss this further in the forum or..
(21:09:19) marcy: so what is the final proposal?
(21:09:23) Arvi Pingus: Yep, in the forum (among our fellow MUGs)
(21:09:26) Legion: Official CD/DVD can have their own cover
(21:09:56) rda: ok, next topic, then?. item 3, Install Parties.
(21:10:02) Arvi Pingus: hm, to be discussed (cause I don't see us do the printing ourselves)
(21:10:04) marcy: i'm sorry
(21:10:06) marcy: but
(21:10:15) marcy: i've also made some proposals
(21:10:16) Legion: but others designs can be avaible for people what burn their own cd/dvd :)
(21:10:26) Arvi Pingus: yep
(21:10:32) Arvi Pingus: compromis
(21:10:35) rda: that may be a recommandation, or not. You'll see, propose, discuss and decide.
(21:10:36) marcy: Legion: ok, thank you
(21:11:00) Arvi Pingus: 3. Install - p-a-r-t-y
(21:11:02) ennael: we are waiting for a mandriva-look.org website
(21:11:09) ennael: this could host these designs
(21:11:10) marcy: improve mandriva customer support 
(21:11:20) marcy: this is my topic
(21:11:22) Arvi Pingus: yeh!!! like KDE.org and part of Ooo
(21:11:27) ennael: yep
(21:11:41) marcy: ennael: i think it is a lost of time
(21:11:44) Arvi Pingus: :)
(21:11:53) marcy: for the moment
(21:11:53) ennael: damned...
(21:11:58) ennael: what a constructive comment
(21:12:04) patkoscsaba2: :)
(21:12:10) ennael: marcy: did you let me say we will not do anything to setup it ?
(21:12:22) ennael: this is all done by an association
(21:12:27) rda: marcy: we'll discuss it, but let's please burn the items already in the pipe.
(21:12:43) Arvi Pingus: He did not (and if he did he didn't meant it)
(21:13:11) ennael: so no time to spend on it for us
(21:13:14) ennael: it's all free
(21:13:17) Arvi Pingus: rda: please add 'not'to your last statement
(21:13:19) marcy: rda: i didn't understand what you meant
(21:13:19) ennael: why not taking it ? :)
(21:13:41) patkoscsaba2: anything free is good ;)
(21:13:53) patkoscsaba2: however, a mandriva-look.org like page
(21:13:55) Arvi Pingus: except freeze
(21:13:59) rda: RvP: marcy: I meant: let's discuss things in the order they were submitted. First topics listed in the forum thread, then, customer support (marcy topic)
(21:14:08) patkoscsaba2: will be king of confusing
(21:14:30) marcy: RDA: they are written in the forum, read it
(21:14:31) Arvi Pingus: Still say 15 minutes?
(21:14:32) patkoscsaba2: because I do not really imagine what you can constumise which is strictly mandriva
(21:14:43) rda: marcy: in this thread? http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?p=772717#772717
(21:14:54) marcy: yes,
(21:14:57) ennael: next point is "install partyé
(21:14:59) ennael: party"
(21:15:03) patkoscsaba2: ok
(21:15:08) marcy: before your proposals
(21:15:11) rda: marcy: ha, right.
(21:15:17) rda: sorry. my very bad.
(21:15:34) Arvi Pingus: Not being called FEST, so party is the better naming
(21:15:34) rda: ok, so let's go ahead.
(21:15:50) marcy: rda: with my topic? : )
(21:15:58) ennael: hum
(21:16:09) Arvi Pingus: Central initialized 'party'is good idea
(21:16:21) rda: marcy: one of yours after this install party thing
(21:16:28) Arvi Pingus: however it is problematic to organize
(21:16:30) marcy: i'm waiting then
(21:16:37) ennael: central ?
(21:16:55) patkoscsaba2: "mandriva sa" intilalized
(21:17:01) Arvi Pingus: There is too short period between anouncing and party-date
(21:17:20) ennael: ok this point is important to know
(21:17:31) ennael: we did not even realize it was so short for you
(21:17:42) Arvi Pingus: (lack of promo materials, but that is now going fine :) in the future)
(21:17:51) ennael: wo what do you propose ?
(21:18:15) Arvi Pingus: Other point is that our comunity like to have some experience with the official product
(21:18:28) Arvi Pingus: alpha adnd beta is for testing
(21:18:35) ennael: wait
(21:18:41) ennael: just answer first question :)
(21:18:42) patkoscsaba2: RvP: beta / rc is good enough for me
(21:18:47) Arvi Pingus: and we don't move ourselves in an instance toward a new release
(21:19:07) Arvi Pingus: We are afraid of early adaptor errors/quirks
(21:19:20) Legion: +1
(21:19:33) rda: could you explanate  ?
(21:19:38) Legion: The rpmdrake error
(21:19:38) ennael: what is the time needed between announcement and IP ?
(21:19:39) patkoscsaba2: RvP: for example we move to new releases at an rc state
(21:20:07) patkoscsaba2: for me 2 months is enough
(21:20:14) tuxy_ [n=live@88.103.103.28] is de ruimte binnengekomen.
(21:20:15) Legion: If you have not prepare for it look very bad (at release time)
(21:20:29) ennael: RvP: what do you think ?
(21:20:52) Legion: 2 months look prudential
(21:20:54) tanju: patkos: two months after release?
(21:21:05) patkoscsaba2: tanju: no
(21:21:15) Arvi Pingus: first question: Time needed is zero when we organize a 'party'like event like a counting 9 days, 8 days, 7 etc to day 2010.Spring
(21:21:23) patkoscsaba2: 2 months between announcig the date and the date itself
(21:21:36) tuxy_: hello
(21:21:38) ennael: ok 2 months
(21:21:50) Arvi Pingus: A party suggest live demo, live install, live life
(21:21:50) tanju: ok
(21:21:51) marcy: is not to much?
(21:22:00) tanju: Hi tuxy
(21:22:00) ennael: we did say when
(21:22:07) ennael: not
(21:22:14) Arvi Pingus: 2 months is far too much
(21:22:25) ennael: RvP: no it's  the minimum time
(21:22:36) ennael: first collect names and addresses
(21:22:39) marcy: ennael: why?
(21:22:48) ennael: then send in the world
(21:22:58) Arvi Pingus: We like a boom day for the official
(21:23:06) ennael: ?
(21:23:13) patkoscsaba2: well, it depends, for me it's not too much ... I need lets say 1 month to find a place and financing
(21:23:23) patkoscsaba2: and another month for advertising the event
(21:23:25) Arvi Pingus: Inform the press + MUG's at the same early time
(21:23:40) ennael: yes we can do that
(21:23:53) ennael: I will ask Vanessa to add MUGs in press list
(21:23:55) ennael: is that ok ?
(21:24:13) Arvi Pingus: The mugs are your extra outlet, so yes
(21:24:13) patkoscsaba2: ennael: yes
(21:24:19) ennael: ok
(21:24:33) ennael: so now about training and deoming
(21:24:49) ennael: we need to fix the right date between official launch and IP
(21:25:00) patkoscsaba2: ennael: and also, please continue with the release of the lunch announcements a few days before launch
(21:25:04) Arvi Pingus: Speaking about Vanessa; can we send her a list of say 10-20 community memebrs to inform directly?
(21:25:13) ennael: patkoscsaba2: ?
(21:25:27) ennael: RvP: what are these names ?
(21:25:39) Arvi Pingus: not what, but who
(21:25:44) ennael: who
(21:25:47) rda: RvP: yep, but you should find a way to maintain this list easily
(21:26:05) patkoscsaba2: ennael: las time, you gave us the realease announcement a few days befor official release of the distribution so we had time to translate and send it to our regional press
(21:26:13) Arvi Pingus: You had the idea that I am the only mandriva-adept organizing our community? :)
(21:26:17) ennael: patkoscsaba2: oh ok got it
(21:26:27) rda: marcy: could you just prepare/pickup which topic you want first? (for the next one)
(21:27:01) marcy: rda: yes, sure: improve mandriva customer support 
(21:27:17) ennael: ok lets go for this topic
(21:27:28) ennael: otherwise marcy will be very frustrated :)
(21:27:33) patkoscsaba2: :P
(21:27:33) marcy: thanks : )
(21:27:35) ennael: we have some points for IP
(21:27:43) marcy: IP stands for?
(21:27:44) ennael: we will follow this on forum
(21:27:48) ennael: Install Party
(21:28:04) marcy: ah : )
(21:28:15) ennael: ok customer support
(21:28:20) marcy: so,
(21:28:38) marcy: how is organized you customer support first?
(21:28:55) ennael: well it's very classical one
(21:29:12) marcy: as?
(21:29:17) ennael: support team is working on a web apps
(21:29:20) ennael: named Expert
(21:29:34) ennael: clients are using it to post questions
(21:29:45) ennael: and all support is taking place in this interface
(21:29:47) rda: for products. Store customers (orders) support is handled through email directly.
(21:29:54) ennael: when it's needed
(21:30:04) ennael: support team is dealing with engineering
(21:30:08) ennael: for bugs for example
(21:30:24) marcy: ok
(21:30:25) marcy: ,
(21:30:36) tanju: need translating for this?
(21:30:38) marcy: how many people work on it and 
(21:30:39) rda: now, what are the symptoms you see?
(21:30:55) marcy: what workload they have?
(21:30:55) ennael: marcy: 3 guys
(21:31:10) ennael: why these questions ?
(21:31:21) marcy: because
(21:31:26) rda: tanju: we would benefit from having more people handling more languages, but it happens we cannot afford more than French/English for now.
(21:31:27) marcy: i've never see an
(21:31:35) Legion: ennael: how to improve the store support? , as i say in forum we have recive some complaints about the buys in store
(21:31:44) ennael: wait
(21:31:48) ennael: one guy at a time
(21:31:58) marcy: because i've never heard a person satisfied of customer support
(21:32:07) rda: wait. this is a common bias.
(21:32:19) ennael: only disappointed people are speaking 
(21:32:20) ennael: :)
(21:32:24) rda: most dissatisfied people will complain. most satisfied people will say nothing.
(21:32:35) marcy: linux users not
(21:32:41) ennael: one thing is sure
(21:32:44) rda: that does not mean that dissatisfied people complaints should not be taken into account of course.
(21:32:46) marcy: when someone complains about one thing
(21:32:57) rda: marcy: "linux users not" ?
(21:33:01) marcy: wait
(21:33:28) marcy: when someone complains on 'official mandriva forum' and no one says the contrary,
(21:33:38) ennael: wait wait
(21:33:38) marcy: it is a serious issue
(21:33:49) ennael: are you speaking about commercial support ?
(21:33:53) ennael: or community one
(21:33:56) rda: "says the contrary" ?
(21:34:19) marcy: i'm speaking about commercial support on
(21:34:24) ennael: ok
(21:34:31) marcy: community forum
(21:34:39) ennael: you are speaking about very general things
(21:34:47) ennael: have some concrete examples ?
(21:35:03) marcy: general things prevent people to
(21:35:10) marcy: try a new product or service
(21:35:22) rda: commercial support is not supposed to happen on the forum in public, but through email. now, if someone complains there about the quality of support, that of course is a serious issue.
(21:35:38) marcy: rda: exactely
(21:35:52) marcy: i'm not using commercial support everyday
(21:35:52) ennael: marcy: please stop talking about general things
(21:36:02) marcy: pratical things?
(21:36:05) ennael: what are we talking about  
(21:36:10) Legion: rda: but if you not know english what you do
(21:36:12) ennael: times to get answers ?
(21:36:16) ennael: acces for products ?
(21:36:22) ennael: quality of answers ?
(21:36:26) ennael: please be precise
(21:36:27) Legion: rda: i think isa normal go to forum in your language
(21:36:33) ennael: otherwie we can't help
(21:36:39) rda: Legion: you pressure the customer service so they report we need more international people in the team.
(21:36:57) marcy: ennael:
(21:37:02) rda: Legion: of course. but you cannot expect commercial support from a place that is not supported by the sales team.
(21:37:08) rda: and community forums are not meant for that.
(21:37:09) marcy: lack of questions,
(21:37:30) rda: Legion: we would be glad to have local teams to open and operate local stores.
(21:37:33) patkoscsaba2: marcy: lack of questions ?
(21:37:38) ennael: ...
(21:37:53) marcy: i'm sorry, but speaking in english "live"
(21:38:00) marcy: for me is quite difficult
(21:38:07) marcy: i mean that people
(21:38:11) patkoscsaba2: marcy: give us a concrete example
(21:38:22) marcy: patko: better
(21:38:24) marcy: : )
(21:38:30) marcy: for istance, 
(21:38:46) marcy: i bought a 2007 PW release
(21:39:01) marcy: and i filled a problem in the expert page
(21:39:01) ennael: this was years ago...
(21:39:14) marcy: ... no answer
(21:39:15) Arvi Pingus: I hope so
(21:39:35) marcy: more recent one: customer support of one italian user
(21:39:36) marcy: that
(21:39:40) rda: marcy: right. but this was indeed years ago. you cannot imagine what we went through in only the past 12 months.
(21:39:46) rda: marcy: do you have a link?
(21:39:56) ennael: what I proposed on forum
(21:39:58) marcy: bought istant on
(21:40:06) marcy: he
(21:40:09) marcy: filled a bug
(21:40:18) marcy: rude answer
(21:40:25) ennael: what is rude answer
(21:40:52) marcy: i've opened a forum topic about that
(21:41:05) rda: marcy: if you have a specific link, that would be easier. we wouldn't be able to push the issue inside the company either.
(21:41:08) ennael: ok maybe better to wait for concrete example
(21:41:11) marcy: http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=122753
(21:41:14) rda: thx
(21:41:22) ennael: I proposed that MUGs representative help in forwarding us
(21:41:26) ennael: the biggest support pb
(21:41:35) ennael: so that we can focus on it and solve it
(21:41:38) ennael: if it happens
(21:41:53) ennael: another concrete fact is
(21:42:05) ennael: we are working in migrating to new platform support
(21:42:12) ennael: as the current is getting really old
(21:42:23) marcy: god
(21:42:23) marcy: good
(21:42:24) rda: marcy: this case looks like the timing. just after instanton release, most people left for vacation, and the store rep was offline for medical reasons.
(21:42:27) ennael: this should help in improvingthings
(21:42:37) rda: so it may be a valid reason of the delay in answers.
(21:42:47) marcy: rda: yes,
(21:42:48) marcy: but
(21:42:58) marcy: how do you think
(21:43:10) marcy: to launch a new product without
(21:43:21) marcy: the necessary manpower to support it?
(21:43:31) rda: marcy: you must be new here. :)
(21:44:00) marcy: how should you feel if choose a country for your vacation
(21:44:08) marcy: thanks to a big promotion
(21:44:13) marcy: and then 
(21:44:17) rda: more seriously, we can't explain all forces in the company that decide this or that schedule. the main thing is that, given our staff, we necessarily go through this.
(21:44:17) marcy: there
(21:44:38) marcy: is no one that cleans your answer
(21:44:45) marcy: err
(21:44:49) marcy: room
(21:45:08) rda: marcy: bad service, I agree. but I don't deny that.
(21:45:08) marcy: and you go to reception and you here: "they are all in vacation"
(21:45:16) ennael: ok this should not have happened
(21:45:18) ennael: we all agree
(21:45:21) rda: marcy: I don't excuse, I explain.
(21:45:39) ennael: what about thinking of improving regular support
(21:45:58) marcy: i think the main isssue of this company are the CEO
(21:46:27) patkoscsaba2: marcy: I don't think we can decide what is the main issue on Mandriva SA
(21:46:31) marcy: that follow during these years
(21:46:38) rda: marcy: we won't discuss that.
(21:46:39) ennael: wait
(21:46:47) ennael: what is the topic here
(21:46:58) marcy: the topic is
(21:46:59) patkoscsaba2: ennael: topic is lost
(21:47:04) ennael: looks so
(21:47:04) patkoscsaba2: :)
(21:47:14) ennael: so can we go back to it
(21:47:22) rda: marcy: so, customer support improvement. we're aware, working on it already, and you give us more bits to chew as well.
(21:47:37) marcy: bad support->vacation->time vacation not decided by mandriva stufff->CEO guilty (or something like that)
(21:47:56) marcy: this is what i've understood
(21:48:00) ennael: marcy: want to be our new CEO ?
(21:48:03) patkoscsaba2: Me, or anyone I know for Romania, never used Mandriva Official Support, but what I understand is from this discussions, there were some problems, 
(21:48:12) rda: marcy: beware, it's a very tough position :)
(21:48:12) patkoscsaba2: which are now known by Mandriva
(21:48:17) ennael: seriously we will not speak about this here
(21:48:19) Legion: maybe direct contact for mugs repentants with sales people for help to user who don't kown english?
(21:48:19) patkoscsaba2: and we hope they will solve tham
(21:48:23) ennael: only the way we can help
(21:48:24) marcy: ennael: only when i was graduated : )
(21:48:37) ennael: Legion: yep
(21:48:46) ennael: that was the point in mu proposal
(21:48:48) ennael: my
(21:48:49) rda: Legion: direct contacts are available through http://www2.mandriva.com/contact/ these mail aliases go directly to the people in charge.
(21:48:50) Arvi Pingus: he, is the position of CEO still free?
(21:49:01) Arvi Pingus: I am CFO and COO already
(21:49:07) ennael: no way
(21:49:12) ennael: no pingus as CEO :)
(21:49:18) rda: :D please, nooo
(21:49:22) marcy: i'm studing economics, if you need some help
(21:49:23) marcy:  :)
(21:49:25) Arvi Pingus: but I demand free software ! :)
(21:49:29) ennael: :)
(21:49:31) ennael: ok
(21:49:44) marcy: i think: 
(21:49:47) ennael: so maybe give to MUGs all details needed
(21:49:52) rda: Legion: but we may decide to share this with the store rep. 
(21:49:54) Legion: rda: Some times is not useful 
(21:49:57) ennael: so that demands can go to th right guy
(21:49:58) Arvi Pingus: I studied economics, accountancy, and IT
(21:50:01) patkoscsaba2: ennael: I agree
(21:50:07) rda: hopefully, the next platform will help to better track stats and satisfaction
(21:50:14) ennael: if it does not work
(21:50:14) rda: Legion: that is?
(21:50:18) marcy: RvP: great, collegue :)
(21:50:24) ennael: then just ping me or romain
(21:50:33) marcy: rda:
(21:50:51) marcy: ok, i'm waiting for the new platform
(21:50:52) patkoscsaba2: RvP: me, too ... started with accounting and finished with 2 university degrees in IT
(21:51:06) ennael: ok
(21:51:11) ennael: next topic ?
(21:51:11) Legion: rda: complain in tht link, we have recive reports of not recive help
(21:51:26) rda: marcy: no deadline yet. but, that's the idea. indeed, ping us (anne or me) in case of emergency. we're always on freenode (rda and ennael)
(21:51:38) ennael: or through forums
(21:51:47) ennael: or even by mails
(21:51:53) marcy: rda: so no elapsed time to provide this new platform?
(21:51:54) ennael: I always answer on my side
(21:51:58) rda: Legion: of delays. known. but we do not share internally all support/customer processes.
(21:52:00) patkoscsaba2: I missed the start of this conversation ... I have 2 questions, sorry if already discussed:
(21:52:12) marcy: please, let us know when it will be ready
(21:52:17) rda: Legion: so indeed, that was a bad timing, we'll take that into account for the next iterations, be sure of that: :)
(21:52:39) Arvi Pingus: Can we have a (mail) list of people to contact (and for what)?
(21:52:41) patkoscsaba2: 1) supplying promotional materials is or is not working? Are there still problems with sending out packages?
(21:52:46) rda: ennael: hé, I do too. unless ... well, unless the conversaation is not friendly anymore.
(21:52:49) Arvi Pingus: MUG only-list that is.
(21:52:54) ennael: RvP: yep wi will do
(21:52:57) rda: marcy: the IT team is working on it with the support team
(21:52:59) Arvi Pingus: Vanessa for Marketing stuff
(21:53:09) ennael: rda: gnarc :)
(21:53:14) Arvi Pingus: rda for complainys (only :)
(21:53:20) ennael: rda: was just speaking for me
(21:53:21) marcy: rda:
(21:53:32) patkoscsaba2: 2) release date for spring will be in june? That's more like "Summer edition" ... just for my curiosity :)
(21:53:32) ennael: RvP: rda likes complaints
(21:53:35) Arvi Pingus: Anne for smalltalk 
(21:53:38) marcy: ok, try to provide added value to your customers
(21:53:44) ennael: patkoscsaba2: yes beginning of june
(21:53:50) ***rda slaps ennael
(21:53:54) Arvi Pingus: I like rda (the poor sun of a bit..)
(21:53:55) ennael: 2 main reasons
(21:54:10) ennael: one is about main open source projects
(21:54:12) Arvi Pingus: ennael likes slapping?
(21:54:19) ennael: like KDE or kernel coming better in june
(21:54:20) rda: RvP: you may discuss hats and dresses with Anne, indeed.
(21:54:22) ennael: for stable releases
(21:54:37) ennael: second is we need some time to work on our build system
(21:54:47) ennael: it needs some time to be refreshed 
(21:54:55) patkoscsaba2: ennael: OK, it's understandable
(21:54:57) ennael: and help in better quality for releases
(21:55:12) ennael: no secret reason :)
(21:55:21) patkoscsaba2: also, do you plan to switch to 9 months release cycle, or this is a one time thing
(21:55:23) patkoscsaba2: to adjust
(21:55:23) marcy: i'm sorry, but for this topic isn't better to open a single forum topic for each one? i think chat is too confusing
(21:55:34) ennael: patkoscsaba2: this is only for this time
(21:55:36) patkoscsaba2: the release date
(21:55:44) patkoscsaba2: ennael: OK
(21:55:52) patkoscsaba2: no more questions from me :)
(21:56:01) Legion_ [n=chatzill@201.160.30.156.static.cableonline.com.mx] is de ruimte binnengekomen.
(21:56:34) marcy: repeat:
(21:56:34) ennael: ok next topic ?
(21:56:39) marcy: i'm sorry, but for this topic isn't better to open a single forum topic for each one? i think chat is too confusing
(21:56:41) rda: marcy: chat is useful to take the temperature and get to discuss quicker some bits. but that won't prevent a summary
(21:56:52) ennael: sure
(21:56:53) rda: and further discuss on forum if needed
(21:57:05) Legion_: RvP: kill the other Legion please
(21:57:11) marcy: ok
(21:57:48) marcy: another question:
(21:57:54) marcy: is to implement
(21:58:07) Arvi Pingus: ennael is able to kill with an eye blink
(21:58:20) ennael: RvP: want me to try on you ? :)
(21:58:24) marcy: <switch to another mirror if md5sum of synthesis file is wrong (or mirror is unavailable)>
(21:58:26) rda: RvP: you don't even know :D
(21:58:49) marcy: i think this feature is an HIGHLY RECOMMENDED one
(21:58:51) rda: marcy: there is an ongoing discussion about this on cooker
(21:59:03) Arvi Pingus: I have laid down stronger, bigger and ugglier oponents
(21:59:06) patkoscsaba2: I think this would be a very nice feature
(21:59:31) ennael: as said it's on discussion
(21:59:37) marcy: unfortunately i can't follow cooker this time
(21:59:43) Arvi Pingus: Yeh a very nice feature, but no a show stopper
(22:00:04) patkoscsaba2: no, it's not a showstopper
(22:00:16) rda: *dong* 10pm. could we make a last item, or close here? it's getting late.
(22:00:17) marcy: RvP: no showstopper naturally, but 
(22:00:19) patkoscsaba2: but since Windows Vista ... we have lot of new users on our forum
(22:00:39) patkoscsaba2: and explaining the hole idea and configuration of mirrors is a pain in the ***
(22:00:47) rda: I trust cooker discussion to lead somewhere. s/trust/believe/hope/
(22:01:05) ennael: yep
(22:01:14) marcy: it is REALLY important, i follow forum and most of newbie have problems with repos
(22:01:18) Arvi Pingus: dong too
(22:01:33) Arvi Pingus: although its very nice here
(22:01:51) rda: yep, again, we're at the crossing between what happens in the forum and what happens in cooker.
(22:02:08) rda: let's report this for a later discussion (crossing the info)
(22:02:10) Arvi Pingus: dutch newbies have no problem with repo's at all or are helped by us
(22:02:17) marcy: i think also it is not enough difficult to implement as we use already aria2 and dinamic mirrors, no?
(22:02:25) rda: ok, who would like to make a report of this chat session?;
(22:02:42) rda: for an email, blog or forum report.
(22:02:43) Arvi Pingus: Yes please. Put the log on the MUG section
(22:02:58) Arvi Pingus: Than every mug can see what they missed by not attending
(22:03:02) patkoscsaba2: just like you did for the first session
(22:03:03) ennael: did anybody logged it .
(22:03:05) ennael: ?
(22:03:06) rda: the log will be published somewhere, but just a summary in the forum.
(22:03:12) rda: ennael: I have a log
(22:03:15) ennael: ok
(22:03:21) Arvi Pingus: Next days we can pick up the items and give them their own topic
(22:03:33) ennael: yep sounds good
(22:03:38) Arvi Pingus: Let's get some live and action in the MUG idea
(22:03:39) patkoscsaba2: RvP: good idea
(22:03:41) marcy: and please, follow MUGS forum, i trust in you : )
(22:03:48) Arvi Pingus: (otherwise someone will kick them)
(22:03:50) ennael: would you be ok for a monthly meeting ?
(22:03:51) rda: ok, I'll make the summary then. :)
(22:04:00) ennael: we already do it for cooker-chefs
(22:04:12) Arvi Pingus: for now, cherio my friends
(22:04:13) patkoscsaba2: ennael: I'm ok with it
(22:04:23) Arvi Pingus: Monthly session= YES!
(22:04:33) Legion_: ennael: or more if is necessary :)
(22:04:56) patkoscsaba2: Legion_: one chat / month should be enough ... :P
(22:05:00) marcy: ennael: ok if i'm availabe
(22:05:01) Arvi Pingus: bye, ciao, au revoirs, doei, doeg, dag, cal it a day
(22:05:03) ennael: Legion_: well my husband will not like it :)
(22:05:10) rda: ciao :)
(22:05:16) Legion_: XD
(22:05:22) Arvi Pingus: my wife likes the idea :)
(22:05:36) marcy: bye to all 
(22:05:40) Arvi Pingus: No serious killing at this time of night
(22:05:41) patkoscsaba2: bye bye
(22:05:41) rda: marcy: see you
(22:05:43) Arvi Pingus: anymore
(22:05:45) rda: thanks for coming
(22:05:52) ennael: thanks all
(22:05:54) patkoscsaba2: :)
(22:06:00) ennael: see you on forums then
(22:06:08) rda: good night and have a nice week end.
(22:06:08) marcy: next chat in 3d
(22:06:10) tanju: :)
(22:06:11) rda is weggegaan.
(22:06:15) patkoscsaba2: you too
(22:06:16) tuxy_: see you
(22:06:16) Legion_: rda: where you put the full log?
(22:06:22) marcy: mandrivatar
(22:06:25) marcy: : =)
(22:06:31) Arvi Pingus: rda left the building
(22:06:34) ennael: Legion_: not done yet
(22:06:37) Arvi Pingus: so am I

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